Neo-Nazis not welcome in the Swan

[Edit: originally, this post was titled “Neo-Nazis booted from the Swan. This falsely gave the impression that there was some kind of physical confrontation or fight, when the only thing that passed between fascists and anti-fascists were harsh words before they decided to flee. The title has been amended for this reason.]

imageToday (October 9th) members of Liverpool Antifascists were in town scouting to ensure that the BNP didn’t show their faces again.

We gave out leaflets to a broadly receptive public. Both on Church Street and on the James Larkin trade union march that took place in the middle of the day, we recieved a warm reception and several people expressed an interest in getting involved.

After a succesful day, a couple of antifascists retired to the Swan pub for a pint. Imagine our surprise when we bumped into neo-Nazi scumbags Liam Pinkham and Karl McKeown.

Pinkham, for those who don’t know, threatened to burn down News From Nowhere to the women who run it as a co-op. And his fingerprints were on the letter delivered to trade union leader Alec McFadden, threatening to rape his kids. Big man.

Liam Pinkham, as pictured on a dating website

Unsurprisingly, he wasn’t so big when the pub soon filled with antifascists, including several comrades from the Manchester Anti-Fascist Alliance who had come to town after chasing the BNP from Salford town centre.

One of the lads, whose previous encounters with Pinkham have led him to have little patience with the mini goon, got in the Nazi’s face during a very visible and vocal confrontation. Pinkham was visibly shaken and could only respond by whining that “there’s six of you and only two of us.”

A female member of the bar staff, not knowing what was going on and fearing violence, asked the antifascists who had confronted the fascists to leave, which they did with apologies for any distress caused. Their issue was with the two racists and not with the bar or its staff.

Some antifascists who hadn’t been part of the confrontation report that their opponents’ exit didn’t assuage the neo-Nazis, however. “Their arse had dropped,” in the words of one, and they immediately reached for their phones. Having no credit, they had to go for the bar phone, but this too wasn’t working. They were eventually reduced to begging to use somebody in the pup’s phone so that they could call a taxi and make a hasty exit.

Karl McKeown

Seeing how visibly shook up they were, one antifascist took pity and escorted them into their cab so that the poor dears didn’t suffer what they’re often so keen to dish out to others.

Meanwhile, members of Liverpool Antifascists had been able to talk to the bar manager and explain what had been going on. He was quick to assert that the far right were not welcome in the pub, and that his staff had intervened only to avoid trouble in the establishment. LiverAF agreed with this, offering that things only got so heated given first-hand knowledge of Pinkham’s despicable record.

With the misunderstanding cleared up, and the fascists sent packing back to Birkenhead, those who had left following the confrontation were allowed to re-enter with the good graces of management. They reasserted that Pinkham and McKeown would not be allowed in again, and that the Swan was no place for racists and fascists.

Liverpool Antifascists and our comrades from Manchester thus toasted a productive day with several pints.

Liverpool, and especially long-standing working class venues  such as the Swan, is no place for Nazis – no matter how small and cowardly they may be!

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49 Responses to “Neo-Nazis not welcome in the Swan”
  1. punkmar77 says:

    Well done mates! Cheers!!!!

  2. Andy says:

    Whilst the bar manager has long hair he most definitely was male last time he checked and would also like to draw customers attention to the dominant picture of Karl Marx in the bar.

    [Edit: when this was originally authored, it didn’t distinguish between the female member of staff who intervened in the row and the male bar manager who stated that the Nazis would not be welcome. This has since been corrected and we apologise for the error.]

  3. Oldham EDL says:

    Meanwhile 20+ EDL enjoyed several pints in Liverpool city centre with no hindrance whatsoever after arriving back in Liverpool on the train after a good day in Leicester, we also handed out several hundred EDL leaflets (same as we left in the news from nowhere bookshop earlier in the week) if you guys want to intimidate anyone on a level playing field in equal numbers get in touch, these 2 lads you describe where only having a quiet pint, the BNP pensioners & 2 or 3 lads may be a push over to you but you need to realise the EDL are now here & we are here to stay, we do not look for violence but if we find you intimidating nationalists its our duty to make sure they are safe, whos streets? out streets, NFSE, GSTQ,

    • Phil Dickens says:

      So members of the EDL want to protect neo-Nazis who give Hitler salutes, intimidate female shop workers and threaten arson, and post letters promising to rape the kids of a trade union activist? Good to know where you really stand.

      Also, as a native of this city, I can safely say they’re not “your” streets, “Oldham EDL.”

  4. Bill from Dublin says:

    Good to see all is well, in the capital of the Irish,might have a pint on that myself.

  5. Smiddy88 says:

    Haha you load of bullshitters, antifacists did not help escourt them out because they took pitty at all. You hypocrites always go on about how fascism should be erradicated because of how violent and horrible we “fascists” are, take a look at what happened that day. How many of you turned up in an attempt to fight two people for what they believe in, in an attempt to make sure they didn’t believe that again. Is that not a form of fascism in itself? Try showing up to a blood and honour gig when we have equal numbers and we will see who’s “sent running”. You are the true “ignorant fascists” here.

    Yours,
    Smiddy.

    • Local Anti-Fascist says:

      Two of us were already drinking in the pub before our comrades arrived and you were cocky enough then. You’re also cocky when you’re threatening a shop full of women or pushing threatening letters through people’s doors. Shame that all disappears when the tables are turned.

      We’re not arsed what you believe in, we’re arsed what you do. And with your past record, you’re not welcome as far as we’re concerned. Why would we show up at a Blood and Honour gig? We’ll let you have your playtime, wear your swastikas, do your Hitler salutes, and then try and claim we’re the fascists! HA!

      • Smiddy88 says:

        I wasn’t there you moronic cunt. Since when has smiddy been a nickname for Pinkham or Mckeown? Rofl youre saying Pinkham is a coward for apparently threatening women? What about the mad monk eh

  6. Blondie says:

    From reading this, I’m pretty much disgusted. Two lads having a quiet pint is hardly a crime now is it?! Just because they may or may not have different beliefs to yourselves does not give you the right to kick off on them, or for that matter, PUBLISH their pictures and names on your website. It’s pretty inconsiderate of yourselves if you ask me, and I think they should be taken off before any more harm is done. What ever happened to freedom of speech in this country?! Having an opinion? It’s healthy to have your own opinions otherwise you’d be another generic conformity to society, who’d want that?!

    • Phil Dickens says:

      To quote the article;

      Pinkham, for those who don’t know, threatened to burn down News From Nowhere to the women who run it as a co-op. And his fingerprints were on the letter delivered to trade union leader Alec McFadden, threatening to rape his kids.

      And commenter “Local Anti-Fascist”;

      We’re not arsed what you believe in, we’re arsed what you do. And with your past record, you’re not welcome as far as we’re concerned.

      So no, “two lads having a quiet pint is hardly a crime,” but other things they’ve done are. Fascism isn’t an intellectual concept. Its reality is boneheads like Pinkham making threats or lunatics like Peter Tierney whacking antifascists with camera tripods for handing out leaflets.

      So you’ll have to forgive us if we’re not prepared to tolerate people who really would commit arson and threaten violence against others for their beliefs drinking in the places said others frequent.

  7. Blondie says:

    I can appriciate where you’re coming from but posting their names and pictures?! Is there really any need for that? Yeah, so you don’t agree with some of ‘the things ONE of them has done, it still doesn’t give you the right to post pictures and publish their names on here! At the end of the day, they were having a quiet pint. Not causing anyone trouble. We all do bad things at some point in our lives, isn’t it just the learning curve of life?

    • Phil Dickens says:

      It’s easier to dismiss it as a “learning curve” when you’ve not had run ins with them. And when you can pretend that a neo-Nazi skinhead who maintains the ideology that motivated his previous acts is somehow better for it. He’s still a seig-heiling moron, and he’s still back and forth to the Crown Court as if on a bit of elastic.

      As for pictures and names – there were no addresses or anything that could incite violence, just the same info that would be in a press report. That’s what this site is for, news and information on the activities of fascists and opposition to them.

  8. 777 says:

    could’ve been a great opportunity for debate.

    oh and BTW. . . Liverpool Anti-Fascists went to the wrong parade. The REAL James Larkin march was later and was attended by working class activists from all over.

  9. Blondie says:

    I can understand you’re only trying to ‘better’ Liverpool and such and I know what one of them has done, but why print the other guys name? He was only having a drink with him and he has done no harm to anyone. I can understand where you’re coming from entirely, but I just think that you should give a little bit of consideration for the individuals. Hard to come by, I know, as you will probably say ‘well why don’t they give consideration for others’, but still, I think their privacy should be respected regardless of their actions.

    • Phil Dickens says:

      That may well be the ase if he was unconnected with Pinkham’s politicz and actions, but he’s got the same ideology, is part of the same group, and engages in the same actions. Hardly an innocent party.

  10. Marmite says:

    Blondie’s comments are best ignored. She is a member of Liverpool BNP (not sure which one, although I have my suspicions) and regularly posts to far right sites. Pretty stomach churning stuff, some of it.

  11. Blondie says:

    Marmite, I think you may have your wires crossed with someone else! I’m just a normal person who doesn’t support anything! I’m trying to see everything from both sides.

  12. Rachel says:

    It says a lot when anti facists are bigger cunts then actual facists. We have something in this country called free speech and we are allowed to hold racist ideologies if we so wish. Youre wish to control other peoples opinions actually ironically makes you facist. BTW I know the owner of the swan and I don’t think he’d be bothered what opinions they held as long as they didnt cause trouble in his pub. which you did.

  13. just us says:

    yas are all nobedsss from a young girls point of view i reckon ya shit bags 🙂 der was 2 of them ya cranks !!!!WATEVER HAPPNED TO INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY !!!!!! soo say if there was a ”NORMALLL” person sat with these would they also be a neo nazi an get shit for it

    • Phil Dickens says:

      Firstly, he was proven guilty. Of advocating arson. And threatening women.

      Secondly, who’d want to associate with such a person, especially a neo-Nazi?

      • just us says:

        ermm there was 2 there not jus one an u no wa one of them has done not both of them sooo i think ur soo judgemental how do u no he is da same ay ya dont soo give it a rest yer

        • Phil Dickens says:

          Well, he was sat down for most of the confrontation, which was between Pinkham and one antifascist in particular. His only real involvement was to leave with his mate when they shit themselves. All that occurred were heated words betwen two people with a long standing animosity before one fled with his mate.

  14. Rachel says:

    so why slander his mate? cunt

    • Phil Dickens says:

      Slander? It’s true that he’s a neo-Nazi mate of Pinkham who’s been involved in confrontations with anybody they consider “reds.” Which is what the writer said.

      Thanks for the kind words, though.

  15. Rachel says:

    Oh yes and he’s been convicted of these things has he?

  16. Rachel says:

    How would you like it if I got your picture, put it on a website and had a go at you because of your views and you put him up here because “he confronts people” yet you go round causing trouble in local establishments. I think the only facist here is you!

    • Phil Dickens says:

      “How would you like it if I got your picture, put it on a website and had a go at you because of your views”

      Like this?

      Both Liverpool BNP and Liverpool’s neo-Nazi lurkers have done it now, and I believe my reaction was to not care much because having your picture on teh internetz isn’t really a big issue in the age of Facebook.

      And as for “go round causing trouble in local establishments,” we went in for a pint. A couple of our comrades were already there. When we saw them, heated words (yes words – how fascist of us!) were exchanged, and after they fucked off we did exactly as planned. That is, had a couple of pints in the Swan.

      I’m sure Hitler would have been proud.

      • Rachel says:

        The people who work in the Swan tell it differently. He said members of your group were asked to leave for causing trouble and as for them being banned from the swan based on their beliefs, thats just like banning muslims from a bar because of what they believe! This is a group of hypocrits. You do nothing but spread hatred for human beings based on their beliefs. Exactly like facists.

        • Phil Dickens says:

          “You do nothing but spread hatred for human beings based on their beliefs. Exactly like facists.”

          If it’s “exactly like” fascism, then the collorary is that we shouldn’t hate fascists, because there’s nothing wrong with being a fascist, and we should accept and embrace them as they are. Doesn’t quite work, does it?

      • Rachel says:

        Why not spread a positive anti racist message rather than posting pictures of people on here. You are just inticing violence which to me makes you scum.

      • Phil Dickens says:

        Why not spread a positive anti racist message rather than posting pictures of people on here.

        There is a positive anti-racist and antifascist message. It’s the need to stand together as a class in opposition to the fascists. It dominates this site.

  17. Blondie says:

    We all have different views you know! So if I were sat with one of them having a drink i’d be slandered too? It doesn’t matter what anyone believes in, why discriminate them?! Personally, I think that you should at least take their pictures down, there’s just no need to do something like that. What is the other lad exactly meant to have done? Just because he has a skinhead and probably wears the ‘neo-nazi’/skinhead attire does not mean he has the same views!

  18. Is this even worth a post? It does you no favours whatsoever bragging about your thuggery. These two muppets you chased out of the Swan would do the exact same thing if they had cornered a few of your lads in a bar and kicked off. They would post it all over the internet with their smug little faces light up like Christmas day. You morons are no different. Well done on being thugs.

    • Brian says:

      “‘Those who fight against Fascism go Fascist themselves.” Standard line according to Orwell as late as 1942 put forth by pacifists and Nazi sympathizers, not much has changed it seems

  19. Clopper says:

    A decent site is in danger of losing a good deal of credibility because of the playground name calling contained in the comments section.

    Please consider the negative impact this has to the casual reader who will wrongly consider both sides as bad as each other.

  20. gary lucas says:

    Why dont Liverpool BNP ever have any luck bumping into antifascists,i havent glassed someone for as long time.

  21. Anon says:

    “Unsurprisingly, he wasn’t so big when the pub soon filled with antifascists”
    So loads of you ganged up on two lads who were causing no harm to anyone and were just having a pint? All because they share different views to you? That’s called bullying where i’m from.
    Aren’t you supposed to be against ignorance? Because it looks to me like you’re all just ignorant thugs yourselves.

    • Phil Dickens says:

      So loads of you ganged up on two lads who were causing no harm to anyone and were just having a pint? All because they share different views to you?

      Uh, no. If that was the case, Tories would be getting booted out of pubs all the time.

      Once again:

      To quote the article;

      Pinkham, for those who don’t know, threatened to burn down News From Nowhere to the women who run it as a co-op. And his fingerprints were on the letter delivered to trade union leader Alec McFadden, threatening to rape his kids.

      And commenter “Local Anti-Fascist”;

      We’re not arsed what you believe in, we’re arsed what you do. And with your past record, you’re not welcome as far as we’re concerned.

      So no, “two lads having a quiet pint is hardly a crime,” but other things they’ve done are. Fascism isn’t an intellectual concept. Its reality is boneheads like Pinkham making threats or lunatics like Peter Tierney whacking antifascists with camera tripods for handing out leaflets.

      So you’ll have to forgive us if we’re not prepared to tolerate people who really would commit arson and threaten violence against others for their beliefs drinking in the places said others frequent.

  22. Blondie says:

    Where did you get those pictures from? It’s slightly invasive of someone’s privacy isn’t it? Oh and I know the top picture was posed for as the person who took it was reflecting upon another photographer’s work; “Some skinheads adopted the Nazi symbols and uniform simply as a way to shock people. You can’t get any more rebellious than going against what everyone thinks. It’s a political caricature”.

  23. Smiddy88 says:

    Dickens,

    none of our “neo-Nazi gang” have ever posted information in antifascists, atleast from what I know of and they are good friends of mine. We do however know where abouts you live, what car your girlfriend drives, when you went the pictures in that car etc, we just aren’t sad enough to post it about nor attempt to do anything about it. As most of us see it, there’s a time and a place to carry out these clashes and debates, personal lives and such aren’t one of them. For example if you were there drinking in the swan with a mate, I can tell you hand on heart we would not phone everyone we know and try smash your head in with loads of people. Nor would we if there was a few of you, there are places to do things like have a friendly debate or whatever, when you’re minding your own business, what right do we have to come between that? And vice versa

    • Phil Dickens says:

      For the record, we didn’t go down to smash anybody’s head in. We went in because some comrades were already there, and because we wanted a pint. That’s why it was a couple of hours and several pints later when I finally left and headed home.

      That there was a flare up, which I reiterate was between one antifascist and Pinkham, and that he and McKeown left almost immediately after is incidental.

      When the woman behind the bar asked us to leave, we did. Neither lad was dragged outside or harmed in any way. We re-entered the pub only once we’d secured assent from the landlord. So this was hardly some kind of guerilla or gangland attack as some commenters here seem to think.

      If you “would not phone everyone we know and try smash your head in with loads of people,” then great. (Although I am skeptical about that.) But neither would or did we.

      Moreover, I wasn’t on a site like Stormfront braging about collating information on anybody as Ben Ainsworth and Danny Davies were about me. I certainly don’t claim to “know where abouts you live, what car your girlfriend drives, when you went the pictures in that car etc.” So who has the moral high ground here?

  24. Andy says:

    This article makes me ashamed to call myself an anti-fascist. Pinkham has paid for his past crimes and should be entitled to his pint in my opinion. His bonehead views are irrelevant.

  25. ya ma says:

    this is a hate site. it promotes violence.

  26. Alfie North says:

    This pinkum guy sounds like a really sadfuck.

  27. Brian says:

    I was wondering, does physical confrontation become legitimate sometime before or after they start loading people onto cattle cars?

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